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Dawn Weaver

dawnweaver@dreamer2612.wanadoo.co.uk


Mar 29, 05 - 7:51 PM 		Smooth Collie Stud Dog Wanted

I have a working line of Rough Collies but my last ***** is now 4 years old and I have yet to mate her. My problem is that I cannot find a Rough Collie Stud Dog of the old-fashioned type that I like. They all seem to be the new type with loads and loads of coat, short in stature and a 'squarer' build. This makes them unsuitable for agility. However, I saw a photo one day of a Smooth crossed with a rough and it looked fantastic! So I wondered if anyone knew what the implications of doing this would be? She is a tricolour so I wondered about using a blue merle or sable if it was possible. She was clear eye tested at 6 weeks. Perhaps somebody has some ideas?

Many Thanks, Dawn Weaver
marie Douglas



Apr 11th, 2005 - 6:18 PM 		Re: Smooth Collie Stud Dog Wanted

Hi Dawn, have you had any luck ????

There is nothing to stop you using a smooth dog to a rough ***** but I doubt if you will find it exceptable to register them as pure bred's as the two breeds seperated way back ( which is unfortunate for the only reason that the gene pool within the smooth's is very small). I agree the old fashioned working collie is a rare thing, and most current day rough collies descend from show lines. I am one of these that would love to see the roughs as they once were.
Sable cannot go to a blue dog as you will probably have problems with the puppies.
You can put sable to tri or sable to sable.
A tri can be put to sable/blue and tri.
It would be interesting what your litter produces, but the only factor is that they wont be able to be registered as rough or smooth collie.

There are some lovely roughs out there, particuarly the jasand and manordefi lines, ingledene line is also a good rough line, they all have that nice lovely 'fitted' coat, beautiful heads and above all construction which is so important.
these are just a few.
let us know how you get on ???

Marie
Annie Prokop



Dec 23rd, 2006 - 2:29 PM 		Re: Smooth Collie Stud Dog Wanted

In the USA, the rough and smooth are considered the same breed. We do have some legger roughs over here that do super in agility. I got my ***** from Holmhaven kennels in Florida. Lil Sayre's lines is linebred down from Bellhaven with some English and other Europeans outcrosees in them. My girl is super fast and smart and has the fitted coat. If you don't mind importing - you might want to think of importing a rough from Holmhaven kennels. We simply register them as Collies over here.

Annie
Johanna R



Jan 14th, 2007 - 5:47 PM 		Re: Smooth Collie Stud Dog Wanted

There are many different lines that consistently produce collies with working abilities and correct build, both rough and smooth, in Nordic countries. We have many different types of dogsports and our collies have results to back up the advertising. I have collies from british "show" lines and actively show them, but since I'm very interested also in training them we have selected the breeding stock based on such characteristics. I see no reason why anybody couldn't do the same in Britain or anywhere else, just choose mainly for the temperament and proper conformation, there you have a working collie no matter what its pedigree! I can safely say that the best "working collie" I ever had and probably ever will own was our English import, rough ***** born in -92 (also a show champion), so I firmly believe you do have what it takes also in the roughs in the UK. When I see the breed start to divide in two (different show type and working type) it makes me really sad, because to me, it means we're losing the true collie. Look for a breeder who understans the breed history, importance of good build and movement and doesn't follow latest fashions just because they win at shows - and you just might find what you are looking for!

By the way, I found the RSCTA website very informative and it is great to see that there are also people who train their collies for dogsports in the UK. Keep up the good work!


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