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Gambira Nattai and Nattai are not the same. They are both janya ragas derived from chalanattai(melakartha). Gambhira Nattai - S G3 M1 P N3 S, S N P M G S Nattai - S R3 G3 M1 P D3 N3 S, S N3 P M1 R3 S